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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:05:00 -
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Confirming that there are no characters like ABrakadabra21 or Insta Podkiller or qqq111 or durka Gaterau or trololo Arji
Honestly, recycling characters is kind of wasteful though. I mean, look at Insta Podkiller - he was graduated from a lowly rookie suicider to a full blown catalyst suicider. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 03:18:00 -
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Elizabeth Aideron wrote:None of those characters are biomassed. I saw Insta Podkiller just last week.
Pretty sure everyone but Insta Podkiller is, and he was obviously included for the second sentence.
baltec1 wrote:If you have evidence of people recycling alts then report them and get them banned.
Looking to edge out the competition by playing it lawful I see. You have to admit that Hijacker guy is pretty damn efficient. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 06:46:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You really should check your facts before accusing people of committing bannable offenses.
Sorry, I didn't realize we were nitpicking the difference between throwaway account and throwaway alt. Nice loophole is CCP doesn't enforce the former I guess. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:02:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Recycling implies that the character is biomassed and the slot is used for a new character
Maybe to you; it's pretty obvious what I meant.
Are you implying that starting a trial account to pod/ect. without penalty is somehow better than using an alt slot to do the same?
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:18:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I give up, you're a pedant
You're making an asinine distinction that's irrelevant to everything but CCP's ability to confidently enforce a banning policy and I'm a pedant?
Thanks for teaching me about Doomheim I guess. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:And he's implying what's been said on many occasions so far: that recycling/throw-away alts are not nearly as common a practice as people like to claim.
What would you prefer to call characters who are used to impart timers until their sec status drops negative and then never touched again? It's always easier to use your definitions than to get you to use sensible ones. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 07:33:00 -
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Perhaps reusing alternate character slots is uncommon because tiny tims are easier.
CCP should consider making it harder to tiny tim because the resulting lack of accountability is identical. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:S Byerley wrote:Perhaps reusing alternate character slots is uncommon because tiny tims are easier. Perhaps reusing alt slots is uncommon because it's a waste of time and effort to reuse them, so you just keep them around as your gank altGǪ
One might also argue that sec status should be more of an impedance, but that's a different issue. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:42:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:us raw newbies ignored his advice and went hunting for them in frigates. We died, a lot
Out of curiosity, did you not realize you were ******* your corp or did you not care? Not judging, just curious.
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:36:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:S Byerley wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:us raw newbies ignored his advice and went hunting for them in frigates. We died, a lot Out of curiosity, did you not realize you were ******* your corp or did you not care? Not judging, just curious. How were we screwing the corp?
I guess that answers the question. When someone tells you to dock up, it's not in the interest of saving whatever newbie ship you might've lost.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:carebears that are afraid of their own shadows.
You're also sorely mistaken if you think the motivating factor is fear.
I'd try to explain but... you're you. |
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.07 23:48:00 -
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Vladimir Norkoff wrote:Was he encouraging the ebil grieferz to keep paying the wardec costs so they could keep on shooting the same 3 noobs in frigs (and then give them ISK and advice)?
Not 'ebil', just rational. When you're wardeccing with the intent of blowing stuff up, chances are you're going to revisit decs that allowed you to blow stuff up. Similarly, giving someone ISK and advice encourages them to keep showing up so you have something to shoot at. If your corporation isn't interested in PVP, it's a pretty good wang slap in the face to encourage PVP against them. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 04:44:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Hey, I was RIGHT! It's "having fun" during a declared "no fun time". We can't let the proles in our "industrial focused no PVP" corp get the idea that shooting at each other is an interesting part of EVE. They might depart, then who'll AFK mine for us?!
You don't think it's a little self-righteous to join an indy/pve/whatever corp and try to convert everyone? Chances are if someone is pursuing a slow-paced meta-focused profession in an already slow-paced meta-focused game, they aren't particularly interested in your childish high-sec PVP. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:06:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Your premise is flawed anyway. Anyone who makes sport of deccing "industry" corps knows about the "erryone stay docked they'll just go away" tactic. Just encourages us to keep the dec going as long as possible.
So you waste more time and money to feel like you haven't lost? Whatever gets your rocks off I guess, but you're underestimating the patience and diversification of seasoned indys.
Quote:You get a lot more street cred coming out and fighting, even if you don't succeed. Some of us have even been known to drop a dec when asked, if said corp cowboys up and heads out to fight.
Sounds legit. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 06:52:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Are you, perhaps, completely incapable of understanding the motivation behind it? Firstly, if the target doesn't fight, there's not much time lost (unless you consider clicking locator agents to be significant time), and secondly for the kind of person who does it for fun it's pretty cheap.
Are you claiming corps that continuously fight back and lose don't get decced again? That certainly flies in the face of the motivations as I understand them.
Quote:And it's hard to underestimate "indy corps". I once randomly wardecced a corp I saw putting up recruitment ad cans(words cannot describe how much I hate that), and recieved an evemail the next morning from not one, but two people telling me that "people like me" are the reason they were quitting eve.
I did say seasoned. Comparing two rage-quitters to seasoned indys is like me comparing you to.... someone who's good at PVP. |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:04:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:No, I am saying that Lady Areola Fappington's statement that she will toss them a "gf" in local and leave them alone (with some respect for their backbone) is not something that you can refute as you tried to.
PVP doubling? Sounds legit.
Quote:Whether you put salt, pepper, or Mrs. Dash on that meat, it's still a chicken.
Is it aggravating when your unseasoned steak tastes like **** in comparison? |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:28:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Hey you target guys are fun. You want to fight another week, or get back to your indy thing?
Sounds legit.
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:I laugh at the tears generated by the indy guys who hide in-station and rage about how unfair it is.
And when they don't cry or rage? |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:And when they don't cry or rage? You keep it going until they do, or until they disband. Is this really so hard?
When compared to doing nothing? Certainly.
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:50:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:They cry and rage. They always do. I've been at this in one form or another for quite a few years, and it never fails.
Even if they don't say a word, you know you're getting under their skin, disrupting operations, and causing a bother.
They always rage because even when they don't rage they're raging? 
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 07:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:S Byerley wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:They cry and rage. They always do. I've been at this in one form or another for quite a few years, and it never fails.
Even if they don't say a word, you know you're getting under their skin, disrupting operations, and causing a bother. They always rage because even when they don't rage they're raging?  Close. Because even if they don't rage, they're not playing.
Keep thinking that.
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